Secondary Elements

PapiChuloLeon on Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:21 am

arm had a thread about secondary elements for each sign. It was a good thread.

Aries - ?

Taurus - ?

Gemini - ?

Cancer - ?

Leo - ?

Virgo - ?

Libra - ?

Scorpio - Fire, easiest one. Both of its rulers are considered fire planets.

Sagittarius - ?

Capricorn - ?

Aquarius - ?

Pisces - ?

MKing on Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:45 pm

Pisces - Air (probably)

**Dr. ARM** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:08 am

If I'd seen this earlier, the thread could have been saved.

**Dinny** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:49 am

Virgo's secondary element is air.

Taurus' secondary element is water (yes, really).

Capricorn's secondary element is fire.

Scorpio's secondary element is fire (as you've said already).

Pisces' secondary element is air (as Mking has said).

Cancer's secondary element is earth.

I don't know about the air and fire signs, though. I only bothered to remember the above. Sweat

**Dr. ARM** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:05 am

I would say the rest goes as such:

Aries: Earth

Gemini: Water

Leo: Water

Libra: Earth

Sagittarius: Air

Aquarius: Fire

MKing on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:19 am

Dr. ARM wrote:I would say the rest goes as such:

Leo: Water

Sagittarius: Air

I agree completely with these two.

**Dinny** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:21 am

MKing wrote:
Dr. ARM wrote:I would say the rest goes as such:

Leo: Water

Sagittarius: Air

I agree completely with these two.

I'm glad you do, because I was so unsure of it.

PapiChuloLeon on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:52 am

Aries - ?

Taurus - Water, in Vedic AZZtrology they consider Venus a water planet.

Gemini - ?

Cancer - ?

Leo - ?

Virgo - Air, ruled by an air planet.

Libra - Water, same reason as the bull

Scorpio - Fire, easiest one. Both of its rulers are considered fire planets.

Sagittarius - ?

Capricorn - ?

Aquarius - ?

Pisces - ?

Still unsure of all the other kids.

MKing on Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:08 am

PapiChuloLeon wrote:
Libra - Water, same reason as the bull

HELL NAW. NO way in the world....Libra/Water, and Leo/Earth.

Leo is by far, water.....100% sure.

PapiChuloLeon on Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:11 am

MKing wrote:
PapiChuloLeon wrote:
Libra - Water, same reason as the bull

HELL NAW. NO way in the world....Libra/Water, and Leo/Earth.

Leo is by far, water.....100% sure.

Leo being water doesn't take it away from Libra. Their natural elements aren't the same.

MKing on Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:19 am

PapiChuloLeon wrote:
MKing wrote:
PapiChuloLeon wrote:
Libra - Water, same reason as the bull

HELL NAW. NO way in the world....Libra/Water, and Leo/Earth.

Leo is by far, water.....100% sure.
Leo being water doesn't take it away from Libra. Their natural elements aren't the same.

Oh yeah!
If Libra has water, than who has earth and fire.....Gemini? Aqua?

I think water goes with Gemini best. Hmm..........

This is too confusing, I'll just stick to what ARM said.

**Dinny** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:51 am

What ARM said is dead on.

I would accept challenges to Aries, Sag, Gem and Aqua, but everything else is pretty set.

Papi, just to clear up about Libra, Venus is the representation of Earth. Also, if you refer to some of the restored threads here about the role of Earth in astrology, we discovered that the planet Earth (Terra) was originally Libra's ruling planet.

MKing on Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:57 am

Dinny wrote:What ARM said is dead on.

Yep, I am just going to stick to what he said because the more you play around with the signs, the more confusing it gets.

The only two that I disagree with, would be.......

Aries/Earth
Aquas/Fire

UGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! FUCK IT. MOVE ON.

PapiChuloLeon on Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:05 am

Dinny wrote:What ARM said is dead on.

I would accept challenges to Aries, Sag, Gem and Aqua, but everything else is pretty set.

Papi, just to clear up about Libra, Venus is the representation of Earth. Also, if you refer to some of the restored threads here about the role of Earth in astrology, we discovered that the planet Earth (Terra) was originally Libra's ruling planet.

You said original. Why did they change it?

**Dinny** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:08 am

PapiChuloLeon wrote:
Dinny wrote:What ARM said is dead on.

I would accept challenges to Aries, Sag, Gem and Aqua, but everything else is pretty set.

Papi, just to clear up about Libra, Venus is the representation of Earth. Also, if you refer to some of the restored threads here about the role of Earth in astrology, we discovered that the planet Earth (Terra) was originally Libra's ruling planet.
You said original. Why did they change it?

Point taken. And I'm not sure, I'll try to do some research and see what I find.

**Dr. ARM** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:15 am

At first I was tempted to make Aquarius an Earth secondary and Libra a Fire secondary.

MKing on Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:18 am

Dr. ARM wrote:At first I was tempted to make Aquarius an Earth secondary and Libra a Fire secondary.

Now that I think about it I couldn't see Libra/Fire, so you were right on the money with that decision. But what about Aries? do you still see Aries/Earth? I want to say Aries/Water, but Leo fits there better.

**mi-cuit** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:23 am

I definitely think it's Libra/Water Gemini/Earth. Taurus/Water I would agree to only because I can't imagine Taurus being linked to Air or Fire, so it's Water by default.

I knew there was an argument to instate Earth as the ruler of Libra, but I did not know that it was its ruler at some previous point in time. Very interesting. I'd again like to point out that Libra ascendants (which is arguably the "position" of the Earth) work better than Libra Venuses.

**Dr. ARM** on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:29 am

Ariens are stubborn and headstrong. Earth seems like a solid choice.

See what I did there?

Also...

If Libra's Water, then Gemini's Fire. That leaves Aquarius with Earth.

lilith on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:55 pm

I think I'd have to switch it to earth with Gemini and fire with Aquarius. I'm biased because of the people I know though. The Gems I know are so slow and stubborn. They know what they like and are hard to negotiate with and this is with a variety of moons. I can also see Ariens with earth, too.

I don't think that the elements have to be divided up equally. If you see four signs with earth and two with water for example, so be it. If you focus too much on perfect numbers, things will get too muddled up. Virgo is kind of a mystery anyway when it comes to ruling planets. They say they are earth, but Virgo and Capricorn have always seemed "air-y" to me and Capricorn is considered as an air sign in some systems. I might even go as far as to say every earth sign has air as its secondary element, but I'd have to think about Taurus for a while.

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